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      Oct 28 Los Angeles REDC Foreclosure Auction Results    
    Sunday, October 28 2007 @ 10:38 PM PDT Contributed by:lulu :

    Southern California Home Auctions

    I went to the REDC auction at the LA Convention Center today, October 28, 2007, and I put all the numbers into a spreadsheet for a bit of data crunching fun. Here's what I found.



    First, some background. Today's auction is for properties in the Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, Kern, and Santa Barbara counties. San Luis Obispo and Tulare counties are included. But there is only one property auctioned for each, so I excluded them in my data computations.

    I started with the spreadsheet provided by REDC, which was downloaded from the REDC web site. (The spreadsheet is no longer available, now that the auction has ended). I then entered the high bid for each property from the auction. A 5% buyer's premium is added to each high bid for the final purchase price.

    REDC's spreadsheet provides a column for "Previously Valued To", which it defines as "the higher of (a) the appraised value of the Property in connection with the most recent mortgage on the Property, (b) the most recent asking price, (c) the assessed value or (d) the mot recent broker price opinion." So while the "Previously Valued To" price is neither the asking price nor the "market price" in today's market, it does represent a price at which someone, at some point in the past, thought the property was worth.

    The most obvious comparison is the ratio of today's auction purchase prices to REDC's valuations. But I would not see this ratio as a "discount" of the auction. Since REDC's valuations are mostly appraisals from when the property was last sold, it probably represent 2005-2006 valuations rather than October 2007 valuations. Therefore, I see the ratio as more of a value drop from the market prices of a few years ago to today's prices.

    I understand that not all transactions will go through. Perhaps the lenders will reject some prices as too low. Perhaps some borrowers will not qualify for financing. Even though not all the properties will be sold, I believe the purchase prices are still valid -- as a measure of what buyers are willing to pay today.

    Finally, just a few technical details -- I made sure the spreadsheet contains the last minute additions to the auction (there were four), deleted the properties that were removed from the auction, and ignored the properties that do not have an REDC valuation for comparison. I also dropped the only property in Tulare and in San Luis Obispo, since there are not enough data there to make the numbers meaningful for those two counties.

    So here are the numbers. For each county, I list the Best Deal (the most value drop -- largest price drop as a percentage of the previous value), the Most Resilient (the least value drop -- retained the most of the previous value), and the Average Value Drop.

    Santa Barbara County: 5 properties (4 SF, 1 Condo)
    Best Deal: 613 W Tunnell St, Santa Maria, 93458. Highest Bid: $180K, Purchase Price: $189K, REDC Valuation: $389K, Value Drop: 54.41%.
    Most Resilient: 2017 South Lassen Dr, Santa Maria, 93458. Highest Bid: $310K, Purchase Price: $325,500, REDC Valuation: $384,900, Value Drop: 15.43%
    Avg Value Drop: 27.26%

    Ventura County: 7 properties (7 SF)
    Best Deal: 2270 Snow Ave, Oxnard, 93036. Highest Bid: $315K, Purchase Price: $330,750. REDC Valuation: $525, Value Drop: 37%.
    Most Resilient: 779 Spalding St, Thousand Oaks, 91360. Highest Bid: $410K, Purchase Price: $430,500, REDC Valuation: $565,900, Value Drop: 23.93%
    Avg Value Drop: 27.61%

    Kern County: 15 properties (15 SF)
    Best Deal: 6617 Peggy Way, Bakersfield, 93309. Highest Bid: $130K, Purchase Price: $136,500. REDC Valuation: $265, Value Drop: 48.49%.
    Most Resilient: 1205 Evadonna Rd, Bakersfield, 93307. Highest Bid: $180K, Purchase Price: $189K, REDC Valuation: $219,900, Value Drop: 14.05%
    Avg Value Drop: 32.53%

    Los Angeles County (all): 46 properties (37 SF, 2 Duplex, 7 Condo/TH)
    Best Deal: (see below)
    Most Resilient: (see below)
    Avg Value Drop: 27.27%

    Los Angeles County (Lancaster/Palmdale only): 12 properties (12 SF)
    Best Deal: 38851 Juniper Tree Rd, Palmdale, 93551. Highest Bid: $160K, Purchase Price: $168K. REDC Valuation: $327,900, Value Drop: 48.76%.
    Most Resilient: 2103 West Ave J-6, Lancaster, 93536. Highest Bid: $260K, Purchase Price: $273K, REDC Valuation: $359,900, Value Drop: 24.15%
    Avg Value Drop: 32.16%

    Los Angeles County (excluding Lancaster/Palmdale): 34 properties (25 SF, 2 Duplex, 7 Condo/TH)
    Best Deal: 1644 East 109th St, Los Angeles, 90059. Highest Bid: $160K, Purchase Price: $168K. REDC Valuation: $325K, Value Drop: 48.31%.
    Most Resilient: 215 West 7th St #806, Los Angeles, 90014. Highest Bid: $275K, Purchase Price: $288,750, REDC Valuation: $320,200, Value Drop: 9.82%
    Avg Value Drop: 25.55%

    Orange County: 21 properties (8 SF, 13 Condo/TH)
    Best Deal: 25652 Rimgate Dr #6F, Lake Forest, 92630. Highest Bid: $155K, Purchase Price: $162,750. REDC Valuation: $287,900, Value Drop: 43.47%.
    Most Resilient: 17401 Breda Ln, Huntington Beach, 92649. Highest Bid: $590K, Purchase Price: $619,500, REDC Valuation: $699,900, Value Drop: 11.49%
    Avg Value Drop: 25.41%

    According to these numbers, Los Angeles (excluding Palmdale/Lancaster) and Orange counties have held their property values the best -- which is exactly what one would expect. But I was surprised by the 25% number, indicating that there are neighborhoods in both counties that have lost a quarter of their value in just the past year or so. I certainly do not see a 25% drop in MLS asking prices. And Palmdale and Lancaster have lost almost a third of their home values!

    Then again, one has to remember where this data comes from -- foreclosures. The distribution of foreclosed properties typically exclude the more affluene neighborhoods. For example, there were no auctions for properties in Malibu or Newport Beach. So the real value drop for the counties, as a whole, would be much less than 25%.

    REDC has two more auctions next weekend, Nov 3rd and 4th, for the Riverside and San Bernardino counties, respectively. I won't be attending those auctions to get the numbers. However, I suspect the value drops there would be similar to Palmdale and Lancaster.

        

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  • Oct 28 Los Angeles REDC Foreclosure Auction Results | 5 comments | Create New Account
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    Oct 28 Los Angeles REDC Foreclosure Auction Results
    Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, October 29 2007 @ 11:01 PM PDT
    Lulu,
    I missed the auction...were you able to get the final sale price of the Irvine and Garden Grove home? 171 Streamwood, Irvine and 11882 STEELE DRIVE, Garden Grove. I was curious if the discount was enough for me to make the move for next time. THanks, Jim
    Oct 28 Los Angeles REDC Foreclosure Auction Results
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 07 2007 @ 06:48 PM PST
    BE VERY CAREFUL if you decide to bid at an REDC auction. The contract is completely one sided (in the sellers favor, of course) and will have you sign away any rights you have whatsoever. They will demand that you close on the property in 21 days and have all of your paperwork and financing in place 5 days before the deadline, but will include another clause that gives the seller the right to refuse your bid up to 15 days after the auction date. Yes that's right folks, you officially have only 1 day during that period where you actually know that the seller will move forward with the closing and for you to get your entire closing, financing and appraisal done (you have 16 days to put everything in order, they have 15 days to turn down your bid.) If you put any of your financing, etc. in place before the 15 day period you might be wasting your time and money. I know because I was a victim of this process. My bid was accepted at auction, I (and my lawyer and mortgage person) raced to get everything in place to close within 21 days. My closing day came and went and the title company could mysteriously not produce the deed for us to close on the property. A full 2 weeks letter I got a letter from the title company saying the seller rejected my bid. It was dated 2 weeks earlier (but sent overnight - isn't that amazing!) Of course, all auctions involve risk - that's why you can get such great deals, but take my advice, even if your bid is accepted on the day of the auction - do not plan on actually acquiring the property - it can get yanked from you at any time and you will have zero recourse. It may be legal for them to do, but it is a really crappy way to do business.
    Oct 28 Los Angeles REDC Foreclosure Auction Results
    Authored by: lulu on Thursday, November 08 2007 @ 09:12 AM PST
    Jim,

    Sorry for the delay. I've been away. Yes, I do have the price for those two properties. These were the highest bids. However, as another commenter posted, there's no way to tell if the seller will accept those bids. You'll have to check Redfin or Zillow in a few months and see if they were actually sold at those prices. If you call REDC, they will not tell you (or even confirm) the bids.

    LA 287-A: 11882 Steele Dr, Garden Grove, 92840: $470,000 (+5% = $493,500)
    LA 300-A: 171 Streamwood, Irvine, 92620: $175,000 (+5% = $183,750)

    If you check redfin, there's another house at 10872 Poindexter that's a street away from Steele, also 3 bds and 1.5 baths, listed for $500,000. You'll have to visit both homes to compare their conditions, but it appears that there's not much of a discount for the Garden Grove home. I've visited a few of these auction homes, and they're usually not in the best of conditions, to put it nicely.

    For 171 Streamwood, there's another unit of the same type in the same complex being listed at $204,900 (138 Streamwood). That's only a 10% discount -- assuming 138 is sold at the asking price. But there will be a discount on 138 as well. It's going into auction this coming weekend by Hudson and Marshall.
    Oct 28 Los Angeles REDC Foreclosure Auction Results
    Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, November 12 2007 @ 12:06 PM PST
    It appears REDC prices are alot higher than Hudson and Marshall and you have to pay 5% to the auctioneer. You paid nothing at H&M. Does anyone know the rejection rate by the lenders for the REDC and H&M auctions?
    Oct 28 Los Angeles REDC Foreclosure Auction Results
    Authored by: lulu on Tuesday, November 13 2007 @ 01:35 AM PST
    H&M also charges 5% -- the same as REDC.

    As for the rejection rate -- look up the properties in Redfin or Zillow in a few months, and you'll know a property is sold at the auction if there's a transaction dated about 1-2 months after the auction.